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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:19:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote: You guys keep using the word "proliferation" as if you have any idea how many there actually are, and how often they're used.
Maybe they are talking about what you see at the end of the "revelations II" trailer when it says "we are the enemies of the gods". Some of us liked the vision that was eve back then, and that perspective is no more right or wrong then yours. So maybe get a tissue and wipe your widdle nose, because CCP will remain on your side of this argument. Your titans will be ok (pats on the back)
And if you are still having trouble understanding what "Proliferation" means, here is a handy dandy little drawing I made that will explain it to you.
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:35:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote: You guys keep using the word "proliferation" as if you have any idea how many there actually are, and how often they're used. Maybe they are talking about what you see at the end of the "revelations II" trailer when it says "we are the enemies of the gods". Some of us liked the vision that was eve back then, and that perspective is no more right or wrong then yours. So maybe get a tissue and wipe your widdle nose, because CCP will remain on your side of this argument. Your titans will be ok (pats on the back) And if you are still having trouble understanding what "Proliferation" means, here is a handy dandy little drawing I made that will explain it to you. What the hell does tha thave to do with what you quoted?
It explains the idea of "proliferation" with a nifty little picture, and then compares it to an old (and much loved) EVE trailer for comparison. Some people have a strong preference for one massive capital ship existing at the head of a vastly more numerous fleet.
That is all.
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:39:00 -
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Did people stop doing that while I was on my break from EVE?
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:42:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Did people stop doing that while I was on my break from EVE? I miss the 80's, things were simpler then. Why can't things always stay the same? People did things. That's your horrible arguement.
So there has never been huge Nyx/titan hot drops by BOB, Russians and pandemic legion. Red alliance never teamed up with PL and steamrolled everything in sight with a fleet consisting of a large portion of all supers in game (not made from botting ofc). I must have dreamed all of this.
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:55:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Oh wait so it did happen... now I will argue that it does not matter that it did
I never said that it mattered, nor did I state what side of this debate I fell upon. All I did was point out that some people prefer it one way where as the others prefer it another and then I included a picture for the more simple minded. No one side of this argument is exclusively better than the other one, and that includes your own. I know this may be unbelievable to you.
So yea it did happen.
Like I said.
Why were you suggesting that it is not something that is a "feature" of EVE Online? Self serving much?
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2013.01.14 20:26:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn, to much back pedaling for me. I guess this is your technique after you are caught applying half ass'd debate tactics in a discussion . You are not the first and you are surely not the last.
I am just here to let you know that you are transparent to some of us. I hope I made your day spectacular 
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2013.01.14 20:32:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Natsett Amuinn, to much back pedaling for me. I guess this is your technique after you are caught applying half ass'd debate tactics in a discussion . You are not the first and you are surely not the last. I am just here to let you know that you are transparent to some of us. I hope I made your day spectacular Now I'm backpedalling!!! lol, that's awesome. Or is the obvious sarcasm in my last post not obvious to you? Whit is supposed to take intelligence, but I always considered saracsm the lowest form of whit and not requiring that much intelligence. Maybe I was wrong.
Have you come to understand the meaning of "proliferation" yet or do I need to draw if for you in crayon?
Trust me it can be arranged.
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2013.01.14 20:42:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn, i am not trying to insult you. You honestly did not seem to understand the notion when it was presented to you. Now I gather you do understand.
So are you saying that there is proliferation of supers and titans now? Or are you still claiming that there is no such thing.
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2013.01.14 20:56:00 -
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Ok now you have recognized that proliferation does exist in eve (after 2-3 pages of debate tactics made to mask your back pedaling)
I can move ahead with my original point, that you do not seem to be addressing.
Person 1 (I guess being you) likes allot of titans/supers in your fleet and thinks that EVE should be this way
Person 2. Likes the idea of a one massive super-awesome-capital ship (presumably a titan) at the head of a fleet of much greater diversity. (As represented visually in the trailer that I mentioned... ya know, so stupid people don't get confused)
CCP happens to be on the side of person 1, at least at the moment. It was not always so. But what is important to understand (and is hard for narcissists to understand) is that one opinion is not superior to the other. Both can work just fine, and both ideas can support a viable fleet and viable fleet composition. Both are equal and both are legitimate opinions.
I hope I helped explain this very simple, kindergarten level idea to you. It is an important lesson that you will be able to apply towards your real life and perhaps reap deeply profound emotional rewards.
No stop... you don't have to thank me.
Well... ok. I guess you can.
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2013.01.14 21:11:00 -
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I am just going to leave this here so Mr. Natsett Amuinn can't pedal past it and conveniently pretend like it was not said.
Kiss <3
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Ok now you have recognized that proliferation does exist in eve (after 2-3 pages of debate tactics made to mask your back pedaling)
I can move ahead with my original point, that you do not seem to be addressing.
Person 1 (I guess being you) likes allot of titans/supers in your fleet and thinks that EVE should be this way
Person 2. Likes the idea of a one massive super-awesome-capital ship (presumably a titan) at the head of a fleet of much greater diversity. (As represented visually in the trailer that I mentioned... ya know, so stupid people don't get confused)
CCP happens to be on the side of person 1, at least at the moment. It was not always so. But what is important to understand (and is hard for narcissists to understand) is that one opinion is not superior to the other. Both can work just fine, and both ideas can support a viable fleet and viable fleet composition. Both are equal and both are legitimate opinions.
I hope I helped explain this very simple, kindergarten level idea to you. It is an important lesson that you will be able to apply towards your real life and perhaps reap deeply profound emotional rewards.
No stop... you don't have to thank me.
Well... ok. I guess you can.
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Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
890
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Posted - 2013.01.14 21:59:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Please explain why you think I'm to stupid to understand what proliferation means?
I even put it in a sentence properly for you.
I didn't think so at first, but your previous posts convinced me that you either 1. did not understand what it meant or 2. did not agree that it existed in EVE. You after all were asking for "proof of proliferation" and expecting the Op to count all of the titans in nullsec. I simply called you out on it.
Clear enough?
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2013.01.14 22:22:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:
The OP is impling that titans have been overproliferated, IE; there are to many of them.
And "Over" is that opinion I was talking about. An amount of titans and supers needed to create super + titan heavy fleets far exceeds the amount needed to function at the head of a far more diverse fleet as a "all but stand alone super ship".
No one opinion is superior to the other (as I had stated)
Both can work and both are valid. They are just two ideas of how Eve can be.
This is all I have been saying this entire time. But i do enjoy watching you pedal back and forth as you try to get ahead in a debate. What would these forums be without people like you to play with. 
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2013.01.14 22:32:00 -
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Quote:pedal back and forth
See... you can't seem to read.
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2013.01.14 22:53:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Quote:pedal back and forth See... you can't seem to read. When all else fails be a bad troll? Gotcha.
No I am serious. To pedal back is to back step, what you were doing was back stepping and when that did not work you began to wiggle in various metaphorical "directions" in a vein attempt to assert yourself above others in the discussion. This is not a troll, it is a legitimate observation of the tactics you employ, be it conscious or subconscious on your part.
To put more simply "pedal back and forth".
But if you're to simple minded to understand the difference, then I will keep my higher level discussions to myself in the future. Would you like a cookie?
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2013.01.14 23:01:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Definition: back pedal. "To pedal back".
Very good... now do "Pedal back and forth".
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2013.01.14 23:27:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Definition: back pedal. "To pedal back". Very good... now do "Pedal back and forth". But that's not backpedaling, that's backforthpedaling, or rockpedaling, or something I made up because I wanted something to accuse the other party to this discussion of doing.
Well done then sir, you should be very proud of yourself. But didn't this thread have something to do with Titans?
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2013.01.14 23:32:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Haha, maybe we should start calling EVE "Internet Ships", since things like jump bridges make the space between them so meaningless. Except they increase the meaning of holding space because the people who hold space have a mobility advantage. So stop with the rhetoric, please.
Equally as valid of a point is "how much space do you need"?
Most of space is still barren and empty. Less mobility would only serve to add to how many individual sov entities could exist per unit of space, effectively making eve a much bigger place. You would just have to add a few more regional gates into deep null sec to offset being so far deep into no man's land, which many null sec'ers would appreciate.
This could be seen as a "buff" to the size of the EVE universe, without having to expand it graphically. I see nothing terribly wrong with that.
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2013.01.14 23:50:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Most of space is still barren and empty. Less mobility would only serve to add to how many individual sov entities could exist per unit of space So sure of this, you are.
Are you suggesting that most all of null sec is a living zones where people frequent often, make isk in often, live in and there are more then 1-2 or a small handful of people within at any given time (if that?)
Just to be clear so I can be "certain" of what you are saying before I slap some dotlan in your face. Let's just be clear in order to avoid more "communication issues" in this thread shall we?
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2013.01.15 00:05:00 -
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GreenSeed, it doesn't seem like you have been reading along with my posts, because your reply seems to be directed towards someone else, who wrote about something completely different then i did. Did you quote the wrong section by accident?
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